Sara Safari is an author, speaker, mountain climber, college professor, electrical engineer, and advocate for women's empowerment. She received the award for The Global Citizen from United Nations Association in 2015 and serves as a board member and development director at Empower Nepali Girls foundation. Sara received the Outstanding Practice with Broad Impact award from the International Leadership Association in 2017. Safari is the founder of Climb Your Everest, a non-profit - and organization dedicated to providing "educational programs that empower marginalized women through collaborative learning of leadership skills."
Sara is the first Iranian to climb the Seven Summits, the seven highest peaks in each continent. She is climbing to raise funds for seven organizations that are empowering women. She published her books “Follow my Footsteps,” “Above the Mountain Shadow,” and “Making a Difference” to share her story with the world. She is working on a featured film and a documentary with a talented team of directors and producers with extensive experience working on complex social justice issues.
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Sara Safari is an author, speaker, mountain climber, college professor, electrical engineer, and advocate for women's empowerment. She received the award for The Global Citizen from United Nations Association in 2015 and serves as a board member and development director at Empower Nepali Girls foundation. Sara received the Outstanding Practice with Broad Impact award from the International Leadership Association in 2017. Safari is the founder of Climb Your Everest, a non-profit - and organization dedicated to providing "educational programs that empower marginalized women through collaborative learning of leadership skills."
Sara is the first Iranian to climb the Seven Summits, the seven highest peaks in each continent. She is climbing to raise funds for seven organizations that are empowering women. She published her books “Follow my Footsteps,” “Above the Mountain Shadow,” and “Making a Difference” to share her story with the world. She is working on a featured film and a documentary with a talented team of directors and producers with extensive experience working on complex social justice issues.
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Scott Allen 0:01
Okay, everybody, welcome to the Phronesis podcast. Thank you for checking in wherever you are in the world. Good evening. Good morning. Good afternoon. I have a returning guest today one of my earliest guests, and I'm so excited about this conversation. I have Dr. Sara Safari. She is an author, speaker, mountain climber, college professor, electrical engineer, and an advocate for women's empowerment. She is the founder and president of a nonprofit called climb your Everest which focuses on empowering marginalized young women through educational programs. She received the award for a global citizen from the United Nations Association in 2015. She is a board member and director of development at empowering Nepali girls Foundation. She also received the award for outstanding practice with board impact in the area of women and leadership from the International Leadership Association in 2017. Sara is the first Iranian in history to climb the Seven Summits, the seven highest peaks on each continent. Sara, the last time we spoke, you had one left. You had one. And I just emailed you, gosh, it might have been about three or four weeks ago, I was watching on Netflix, kind of a visual of some of our conversation in this series called aftershock. And that was a powerful, powerful story. I want to get to that. But I want to start, you did it. You did it.
Sara Safari 1:37
Finally, after seven years after the earthquake, it took me seven years really to convince myself and go back and finish the seven summits. Yes, I did. I finished.
Scott Allen 1:50
So talk about the experience. Can you just share a couple of stories about what it was like on the mountain and what it was like to achieve your goal?
Sara Safari 1:59
If you remember, in 2015, when I was at 20,000 feet, there was a 7.8 earthquake that struck Nepal and I was climbing a ladder. And you probably watched it in Aftershock, the series on Netflix, you kind of have the image right now that the earthquake happened, it was very dramatic and very scary. I felt that I'm dying, I felt that I'm gonna fall down into a career vast, buried under the snow. So that wall that I faced all those fears, all those traumas that I faced in 2015. I kind of I thought I'd been working on them. I saw a therapist, and I kind of I felt like I really dealt with that trauma in the past seven years. But four months ago, when I was on Everest, I faced that wall again. Everything came back, it felt like this is it. This is the earthquake, I'm right in front of the wall, and it's gonna collapse on me. And it's, this is it, I'm going to be buried alive again. And I was frozen and I was crying. I couldn't move anymore. And imagine, it's like 60 days. It's 20,000 feet, it is cold, and the whole team. Some people are ahead of me. Some people are behind me. And they are looking at me looking at this wall and just crying. And at first, nobody knew what happened because I didn't share with I guess one or two people in the whole group but not everybody on the whole team. So they were shocked that - "How come...this girl...she's so she came here to climb Everest and she's crying. What happened?" So then I had to share with everyone not there not then what happened in 2015. And we had an amazing team. So everybody was so understanding and kind of the situation. What happens on a very high altitude mountain when you're climbing you don't climb it. Once you go up, you come back down a bunch of times. So I had to face that wall six times. I had to climb that wall six times. The first time, of course, I was frozen and I was crying. And then I thought, okay, if this is how it's going to be, I'm not going to get to the top of the mountain because I every time I get to the wall, I start crying. And I decided I started dealing with my trauma right on the wall with my team members with myself writing journaling every day because we were on the mountain for 60 days. So I had 60 days to process that trauma to be able to get to the top of the mountain that I always wanted to climb. So for people who are hearing right now, I want you to apply this to your trauma, the things that you're dealing with in life and it's very traumatic because I think while I was crying, it might not just be for the wall It was all the trauma that happened to me all my life growing up in Iran, dealing with everything that I had to deal with in Iran, the oppressive environment, which I'm going to tell you more about later. But it's like all my life trauma was right in front of me in my face. And I want it to get to the top of Everest. So I kept writing, talking to the wall, and telling the wall first I started by I hate you, I don't like you. I don't want anyone to climb you. And then the six times when I was climbing the wall, I told the wall, I love you, thank you for keeping me safe that day. Because I mean, I survived, I die. And, I really appreciate you because of what happened on that day, I got to do so much more for the girls that were so important to me. And I got to write a book and I got to do a TEDx talk. And I got to do so much more, just because of what happened on this wall. So I went from I hate you, too. I love you in 60 days, in less than 60 days. I think that was the reason I was climbing Everest, not the top.
Scott Allen 6:09
Wow. What a powerful, powerful story, Sara. Powerful. And it's just beautiful that the sixth attempt where you are Kind of reconciling with the wall, right?
Sara Safari 6:24
Yes. And, I remember first when I decided to climb Everest, it was last year right now. And I kind of I was thinking, "I don't need to climb Everest, there is no reason for me to go up there. Why should I? Why do I even want to go up there? It's another mountain. It's just a piece of rock." But dealing with that trauma was so necessary. So important. When I was getting off Everest, I felt like a feather. I was so light I could fly. I just never had that experience before. And I realized, wow, it was I had to go back, you know because a lot of times we don't want to deal with our traumas. Who wants to deal with their trauma? It's just scary. Yeah, who wants to cry that much? Do you know? Yeah. And what I was forced to do, I wanted to get to the top so bad that I just had to face that trauma. I had to cry as much as I cried, and I had to be brave as much as I had to and I got sick on the mountain a bunch of times. But then I'm like; I'm not leaving; I have to get up there no matter what. And I do my best. Of course, I had a very strong team of kind and amazing people who were very understanding of my situation. And I told my guy, you know, you have all the power. If at any point, you think I'm not, you're not supposed to go up, just tell me. Sorry, I'll go back home. You're not ready this year. But then the whole time, the whole team, everybody was very supportive. And they're like, "We don't understand why you didn't come back - a lot of people don't want to face their trauma." Many team members were sharing stories of other people who never came back. So they did; we had a very kind, positive supporting team of people climbing the mountain. So here I want to thank Madison Mountaineering and my guide, Garrett Madison, and the whole team for being so amazing.
Scott Allen 8:32
So, tell me a little bit about the summit attempt. Tell us about that day a little bit.
Sara Safari 8:38
We woke up at 12 am Of course, and we are at 27,500 feet. We are sleeping at that elevation. This is the last camp for 12 am. We woke up; it was so windy; the whole tent was shaking so badly. At any point, you're like, just I'm gonna fly with the tent. And you know, this is the end of my life, and then we woke up, of course, had breakfast, and by breakfast, I mean like we made some hot water. We had some hot water, and I don't remember what I had, maybe some chocolate I just wanted. So excited about this is it like it's nine years every day. I'm saying I want to climb Everest for nine years, every day, sometimes ten times a day. And then this is it. This is the day. This is the day I'm climbing Everest. Of course, you have headaches. It's like that elevation. I've been coughing like crazy for the past 50 days. So this is May 20, 2022. Okay, we started going up. It was so windy; my toes and my fingers were extremely cold. And I think we woke up at 12 am By the time I wore my clothes, and I was ready, and I ate something at 2 am. So I started really waking up at 2 am, and we are going up. You see a line of lights going up the mountain. It's very windy, but it's so beautiful and gorgeous at the same time. And at 6 am, we got to the balcony of Everest; it's like at 28,000 28,500 feet, I think. And then it's like, that's where you get to see the view of all the whole world really because that's the only kind of flat parts halfway between chamfer and some. So you already went halfway, there is only you're done with four hours of decline, there are four more hours, and you're at the top. So but then still, I'm tired, I'm thirsty, you know, I'm hungry and haven't slept well for a few nights. I'm coughing. But who cares? I have to get to the top. So I continue going up from the balcony. And then we saw the sunrise, it was so beautiful, the whole world went to yellow and orange. And then, and then the sun was out. And it was just so beautiful. Because you're seeing these high, very, very high altitude mountains in the world, as they are just orange and so beautiful. It's all white. And then, on one side, it's Nepal. And on one side, it's China, and it continued going up. And it was one more hour to the top. And I asked my guide how much more, and he said, "One more hour." And I couldn't believe that it was nine years, it was one more hour, I was really tired, very tired, I couldn't move, I just...I didn't have anything in me. But I thought there is no way, like, I'm just gonna give the 200 percent. I've done with the 100 - I'll just give the extra, I have to get to the top of this mountain, I'm not gonna go back down at this point. And so, for the last hour, I was extremely emotional. I like 20 minutes before getting to the top; I'll just I kind of I was counting the time in my brain. And then I think someone, maybe a guide or another climber, told me 20 more minutes. And then I just lost it. I started crying, and I was sobbing, and I couldn't see anything. Because I was crying so much. My goggles were fogging. And I, of course, I have an oxygen mask on my oxygen mask was 100% wet, I couldn't even take it off to clean my face because everything would freeze in a second. So I'll just have to keep everything out. And it was so foggy, I kind of couldn't see anything, but I'm like, It's okay, I'll just I could see only the footsteps of a person right in front of me. And then I'm like, I'm just gonna follow that. And after 20 minutes, I saw the prayer flags on the top of the mountain because there are a lot of prayer flags, which are the Nepali flags, which are blessed by the llama. And the reason they are up there is that on the flags, there are written prayers. And then they say when the wind comes, they take the prayer to the air, so everything becomes blessed and become safe. So it's kind of the reason that all the flags are up there. And then I saw the flags. I knew this was it. This is the top, and I'm only a few steps from it. And I started crying so badly I fell to my knees because I was just so happy. I've never been that happy my whole life. And I'm crying. I didn't. I was looking at this summit, and I couldn't even believe I was there. So we were very lucky. There were not that many people on the mountain that day. So I walked up the mountain and got to the top. And I was standing there, and I was looking around, and I was like, just happened. Like, I couldn't even believe it or understand it. I just kept thinking about the past nine years, but I didn't have any memories. And it felt like my whole life was summarized into this one second. And these were the most important seconds of my life, and every single cell in my body was dancing. I was I felt like I'm the one with the whole world. I felt so connected to everything. I can't even describe the feeling. I'm trying to put it into words. And I've been trying for the past few months to put words into that feeling. But I'm like, no; there's there was more than this. It was more than this. So it was, and then yeah, and then we took pictures for a few minutes. It was windy, of course, and cold. So we started walking down. And I was so excited. I was just four days I would say a month after May 20. I was dancing in my heart. I couldn't believe it.
Scott Allen 15:05
Talk about the way down. How does that work? It always the story always ends when someone summited. And then, you're only halfway done!
Sara Safari 15:16
Exactly, exactly. So I kept telling myself, "You are only summited if you get to the base camp safely." So now I have, we have to go camp for camp to return to camp one. And then the mysterious part of the mountain is between camp one and Basecamp. So really, you really haven't submitted the mountain until you're in the Basecamp because the worst part is at the very end. And so I kept telling myself, you haven't submitted Summit is like four days from now Summit is four days from now, keep your energy, you still have to stay very healthy, take care of yourself and all that. On the way down, of course, you're extremely tired because you've kind of given everything on the way up; there is not much left. But then the excitement, the memories, I kept reviewing all the memories of that, telling myself Wow, you did it. How did you I mean, I kept kind of talking very positively to myself. And, then, thinking about it, I'm gonna get to the base game and give the news to my family. It was funny...my family as soon as I came down to the base scam, I called my mom to say that I submitted she didn't care. She's like, "are you okay? Are you healthy? Do you have ten fingers and ten toes?"
Scott Allen 16:47
Oh, wow. And then, I imagine it's it's a little bit of a celebration at base camp for those who submitted, right?
Sara Safari 16:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody was so excited. We were tired. So we just couldn't wait to come back down to Kathmandu to take a shower. And you know, just sleep on a regular bed and use a regular restaurant, eat regular foods, it was just we were all very, very, very tired. Especially because we wanted to be safer. We had a very big group; we want it to be safe. So we waited for everybody else to summit Everest and go last because then remember those pictures of traffic on Everest and everything. Yes, we didn't want that to happen to us. Because it's very dangerous, you know, if you wait in a long line, you can get frostbite and everything. So we waited for all the other groups, all the other countries, and all the other teams to Summit. And then we went for the summit; we just wanted to have some alone time on the top of the mountain as well. So then imagine we waited like extra days on the mountain, and be we're all just couldn't wait to get to a shower and regular food. You know, it was such an amazing experience. For me, it was very spiritual. It was like I kind of did some it was amazing. The feeling was great. It I needed to get to the top of that mountain, I guess for my mental health, I guess. But it was not just about that five minutes on the summit, it was really about that 60 days of staying with the mountain, staying with the trip, not thinking about the top, just staying with the mountain and staying present in the moment and enjoying every single moment. Because you know, you have no idea until five minutes to the top if you're going to make it to the top or not. If you don't enjoy the other 59 days and 23 hours, then you haven't really enjoyed that 60-day trip. So I kept telling myself, "there are no guarantees, we cannot predict anything, anything can go wrong at any moment, there's going to be it could be avalanches, and anything can happen. Just try to enjoy every second of it and try to find growth for yourself in every single second of it." And, of course, I was doing fundraising throughout the whole climb. So it was very important for me to keep giving reports on my social media to people or how am I doing, what was happening, and that was the whole reason. I mean, really, I guess after nine years of climbing. For me, it was more important that I reach my goal of fundraising than getting to the top, even though I'm very happy that I made it.
Scott Allen 19:48
Well, let's switch gears to that. Because, you know, climb your Everest, tell listeners about because all along, you have not only been challenging yourself, But you've been doing this in an effort to help others, and raise awareness and build relationships and make connections and empower as your bio said young women around the world. So tell us a little bit about climbing Everest; I'm really interested in this.
Sara Safari 20:16
Last year, in November, as I was planning to climb Everest, I thought, it's nine years that I've climbed for seven different nonprofit organizations that are empowering women globally. And I been climbing different mountains to do that. So this is mountain number seven, the seventh Summit. And it would be great if I could create more motivation for myself. That's my theory that any person who is doing good, needs to make it very personal to be able to motivate themselves on the very difficult days. And for me to be able to connect to the mountain of Everest, I decided to start my own nonprofit organization last year in November. And then I thought, You know what, I'm gonna dedicate this climb to do fundraising for the nonprofit organization. So again, same as all the other six other summits, I said, $1 per foot of the elevation of the mountain. And my original goal was to climb two mountains in a row; if you put the elevation together would be a number close to 60,000 feet. And my goal was to raise $60,000, and I reached my goal. And that means, I mean, as soon as I reached my goal, I thought, oh, okay, I don't have to submit the mountain. Because I reached my goal before getting to the top of the mountain. So I was like, Okay, I'm done. So the nonprofit that I founded last year, that's November, climb your Everest, was inspired by the past nine years by the past seven organizations that I climbed for, inspired by all the women that I met in the past nine years, living in very rural places, not having access to any opportunities, but still being so powerful, so strong, so smart, and fighting and facing their challenges and got all those hardship stories was my inspiration to start this nonprofit organization. And it's only a year that we have been working. And most of the year, to be honest, I was either training for Everest or climbing Everest or doing paperwork for the nonprofit. But now we are active in three different countries empowering women. And I am hoping by next year right now I can tell we will be active in many, many countries. And we are empowering women. So I used my dissertation research, which was about empowering women in Nepal, I used that research to create a program, and now I'm using that to kind of empower these women. So the whole goal, our mission, is to empower marginalized women to have fulfilling lives. And it's been going well; it's doing great. We've done a lot of virtual workshops; I use this methodology called V poor, mutual participatory action research, which kind of virtual parts of it came because I was doing my dissertation during COVID. So I was forced to do things virtually, which is great because now we have the technology. And we can access rural places that we couldn't access before. And we provide educational programs for women globally, where before, maybe we couldn't even able to reach or we didn't have the technology. So that's really great.
Scott Allen 23:44
So, what three countries are you working in? Because you just returned from? Nepal? Correct? You were actually in Nepal doing some work recently?
Sara Safari 23:54
Yes, yes. The workshops that we did - Nepal in person, but the rest of the workshop was virtual. So Nepal, India, and Afghanistan are the three countries we work in. India and Afghanistan are still virtual. I don't think I can travel to Afghanistan now. But hopefully, in the future. If we can change the regime in Iran, then we will inspire Afghani women to do something in Afghanistan.
Scott Allen 24:21
Well, I want to go there in a little bit. I want to go there a little bit, but I want to hear a little bit more about how people can be involved or engaged in your work. For listeners who feel inspired by your story and your mission, how can people engage? How can people get involved?
Sara Safari 24:39
So people who are who have studied psychology or leadership or sociology have done such a thing as workshops and leadership courses for women or young women, and they are interested in being a part of leading the workshops and being volunteers in the organization. They can You can contact us through our website, climb your Everest. And we can work together when we collaborate together, maybe even with nonprofits who are working in different countries and are looking for programs similar to the programs that we have, that we are teaching different skills such as self-confidence, communication skills, problem-solving, mental health, effective feedback, critical thinking, conflict management, public speaking, financial literacy, team building goal setting, and tempered radicalism kind of the these are the different topics that we work on with these young women. And when the young women are trained, they go to other places to teach what they've learned to other women; we are hoping that we can make the whole thing virtual. So we are hoping to contact Starlink, and ask for their collaboration so that we can provide internet for women in very rural areas. So everybody can teach these classes virtually from anywhere in the world. So many of the experts, it's could be a part of this big group of volunteers. And we can educate people all over the world, especially women in countries in the areas where they don't have access to any source of education. But until we become fully 100% virtual, we are experts who are willing to volunteer their time and energy, they can contact us and we can, they can be a part of training the trainers for organizations, nonprofit or for-profit organizations who can benefit from this program, or they can provide programs for these women, they are more than welcome to contact us. And we can. I'm open to collaboration. And for women who are hearing this and they would love to be a part of these programs, no matter where they are in the world, they are more than welcome to contact us. We also have workshops for women in the United States, and each woman in the US they are participating in these workshops they are paying for another woman in a rural village or a third-world country to participate in these classes for free. People can contribute in any way or shape or form that they want to. And they can all contact us through our website, climb your Everest, or they can email me at Psara at climber everest.org.
Scott Allen 27:35
Well, that's wonderful. That's wonderful. And, again, you're doing good in the world and trying to pay it forward and help other women live into whatever their Everest is. And so I love the name. I love the name. I love the story. I love your mission. And you mentioned a little bit ago Iran as the first Iranian to have climbed the seven summits, which is just incredible. What do you think about current events in the country? How are you experiencing this,
Sara Safari 28:09
it's been the most difficult 60 days of my life. To be honest, it really feels like climbing Everest because it's such a people in Iran have been protesting for the past 60 days, and just watching the government killing innocent people, innocent, very young people, teenagers just for a peaceful protest that they're doing in the streets, they want to have freedom of choice. They want to be able to wear the things that they want to wear, not the things that are forced on them. They just want to be free and be able to do things. They want to have relationships with the rest of the world, like a kind of basic human rights that are not provided for them. And so just watching the news has been very depressing. We've been emailing a lot of journalists all over the world to cover the news. But the problem is Iran has oil. And there are a lot of countries who want that oil. So they want the area to have peace so that they can keep using the oil. And if the government changes, it takes some time. And then I think there are a lot of governments. I mean, I'm not a politician. So I don't want to speak like a politician. But I know that because of Iran's oil, a lot of countries, a lot of powerful countries, don't want instability in the area, and they prefer to stay and work with the same regime. And then the people of Iran they don't want it, and this movement is started by women. They've been trying to oppress women for the past 43 years. And it's just so beautiful watching women, very young women, teenagers, the new generation, they don't understand it. They want freedom. They want to be able to do the things that they really want to, and They are in the street protesting. A lot of kids are being killed. The Congress of Iran just signed permission to kill 15,000 protesters. These are all young people. And they arrested these 15,000 people in the past two months. And now Congress signed to kill them. And that's unbelievable that this is happening on that side of the world. And nobody's covering this.
Scott Allen 30:32
I did not realize that. So the government has authorized permission to murder 15,000.
Sara Safari 30:42
testers, yes, unfortunately. And yesterday, there was an article that came out in one of these newspapers; they were fact-checking with a professor of history in Oklahoma or Texas to make sure that this is actually happening. And there was an article saying, No, this is a lie. Nobody's dying. But there are so many videos of Islamic Republic police, the government's police, who are killing people in the streets just because they are walking; they're killing them because they are walking. So it's not that they have gone, it's not that they are doing anything, there are so many videos of this. So there's, it's just, it doesn't even need a fact check. Just go watch the videos that are out there. And people are videoing every day, even today. So it's, I mean, to be honest, a lot of countries in the world don't want the regime change. And it's just up to the people of Iran. And it has a big price. Unfortunately, it's very sad. It's been the most difficult 60 days of my life watching the news and seem innocent people innocent, very young people being killed.
Scott Allen 31:53
Yeah, I saw something in the news of a climber who had maybe she was climbing it might have been indoor. Can you talk about that? What?
Sara Safari 32:03
Yeah, she actually took off her scarf during the competition. The competition was somewhere in Europe or Korea, I think. And she took off her scarf. And as soon as she got to her hotel, they arrested her; they told her, You need to tell the news, the government's news that this happened, and you didn't see that your scarf fell, tell it to them just mistakenly your scarf out, you didn't really want it to get rid of your scarf. And so you should see that interview in her face. Obviously, she's saying kind of copying or kind of repeating the words that they said. And obviously, this is not the way she talks. And then, kind of the words that she used in that interview, which are a bit like she just did it to protect her own life and her family's life, it became a joke. Now everybody in the streets takes off their scarf, and if they find a picture, they repeat her word. And it's kind of it's a sad joke that people are trying to deflect the sadness and the anger by making jokes. Because it's so hard to tolerate this much pressure, and watching all these killings, and still performing, being able to function, and being able to decide to still go to the street and do more protest.
Scott Allen 33:29
Well, Sara, you better than most people understand some of the challenges that exist really all over the world. And like I said the first time we talked on the podcast, I just have so much respect because you are out there in the world and making a difference and trying to help individuals live better lives. And I think that's just such an incredible, incredible mission. And I just have such great respect. Thank you. I really appreciate it. What else anything else that you want to mention, Sarah, before we close out for today that is on your mind?
Sara Safari 34:14
People can support us and support the climb your Everest organization by participating in our annual trips. Every year, we go to Nepal, and we do workshops for women in different villages. And I think it would be very valuable when we visit these villages. And we do a workshop for these women. Because all the people in the town village see that people have traveled from all over the world, especially the United States, to help them, support them to empower them. The people in the village see how much we value their women, that their education is so important to us that we traveled this far. So It's kind of helping these women, helping the people of the village see the value of these workshops, and allow their women to continue their education, allow their women to participate in these workshops, get a job, be more independent, and have more fulfilling lives. And I think when people come with me every year, and they see these villages, visit the homes of the girls or women, will go to their schools and do the workshops with me as a volunteer. It's a very life-changing experience. At the same time, the women, the young women, get to meet people from different cultures and different backgrounds, learn, get some experience and get more confidence that people care about them. People love them; they are important to other people. And I think that's another valuable contribution that people can make.
Scott Allen 35:54
Well, we will put information about that in the show notes so that listeners can click and they can explore. And, of course, we'll have your contact information. I know that you're active on Instagram, active on LinkedIn, and just so that people can connect with you, follow get engaged on any number of different levels. I mean, again, obviously, you would take financial support, but you're also it's the old time, talent, treasure, right people's time, people's talents, people's treasure. I mean, I think you're doing incredible work in the world and trying to make the world a better place. And, sir, I'm just so excited for you. I think that let at the last part of our conversation last time I said that I would call this episode, she climbed Everest; I think that is maybe what I had said. But there was a moment in this conversation where you said, Every cell in my body was dancing. I kind of like that title too.
So we'll see. We'll see what we come up with. We would love to have you back. And we'd love to have you back. And maybe next time we talk. Maybe we have a conversation with you and maybe some of the young women. I mean, that could be really, really interesting. Getting some of their experiences, how some of this, some of this training and some of the workshops and the education, how it's impacting them. I think that could be a lot of fun.
Sara Safari 37:23
Yeah, that's a good idea. But we need to do it in Nepal time.
Scott Allen 37:29
Yes. Yes, we will. We will do that for sure. Maybe we'll be in Nepal. Who knows?
Sara Safari 37:35
Yeah, maybe. When your daughters are older, I think that it would be a good idea to bring them to Nepal to meet the girls.
Scott Allen 37:45
Oh, wouldn't that be incredible? Oh, no. They're 12.
Sara Safari 37:49
Okay, three more years.
Scott Allen 37:52
Okay. Okay. Okay. We will put it on the agenda. We will present the agenda. Sara, thank you so much for stopping by. Thanks for checking in. And as always, thanks for the good work you do.
Sara Safari 38:04
Thank you. Thank you was great talking to you.
Unknown Speaker 38:07
Bye bye. Bye.
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